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Posted by: e122884 on December 15, 2008 3:51PM CST would like to agree with you Gery,but didn't KC pull the plug at the last minute. And I don't really think one tight end would make that much of a differance, one GM however might.

Posted by: Hey der how bout dem Packers! on December 15, 2008 4:19PM CST Gery - very cute and imaginative. Love the childish reference to TT. Can't you come up with anything new and original? But, you need to get your facts straight, again. Carl Petersen, the Chiefs GM, changed the "asking" price for Gonzales at the last minute from a 3rd round draft choice to a second round draft pick. The paperwork for the trade was ready to be sent to the NFL for approval until the change in draft choices. TT wisely refused to over pay for Gonzales. Please stick to the Yucks reports....I am still waiting for them to win 6 games on the road...

Posted by: brewpackman on December 15, 2008 4:24PM CST Could he also play defensive end, and put pressure on the QB? You really like to make a fool of yourself don't you Gery? Even a total TT hater like e122884 will not back you on your usual garbage. Stick to the Bucks, you know, the team that nobody cares about, and the one that will be leaving for greener pastures within the next 4 years.....you are really good as their "insider"......not

Posted by: Wuzza Wuzza on December 15, 2008 4:32PM CST You are a knucklehead - REPEAT, - a knucklehead.

Posted by: trainderailed on December 15, 2008 11:47PM CST thank you, finally a reporter that's not drinking the tt kool-aid, tt refuses to over pay for gonzales, but we can over pay rodgers at 65mil with 40.5mil in the first three years, for that money you would think he could pull off one come from behind victory ( 0-6 with 4 picks on his last drive ) even if it's his first year. 4th highest paid qb in the nfl after only 8 games and ryan grant 36mil after only 8 games played last year, a little bit of a gamble i would say. in ted we trust, not

Posted by: trainderailed on December 16, 2008 2:39AM CST curious, now that in 4 years tt record as a gm stands at 30-32 will anyone agree that if he has another sub 500 season NEXT year that the time has come to finally let them both go?, brewpackman makes a point that you don't want your franchise to end up like oakland with a constant firing of coaches, but wouldn't 5 years be long enough?

Posted by: Hey der how bout dem Packers! on December 16, 2008 6:32AM CST Gery - Not having anything else productive to do, for fun, I googled Teddy "Bear" Thompson and Ted "Bear" Thompson. Sadly, the only relevant sports hit was on columns you have written. I searched on the JS Online, the Green Bay Press Gazette, the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times and got zero hits for your "Bear" nickname. That said, would you please stop using that childish reference? By now, it is very common knowledge to the 13 people who read what you post that you despise/hate/etc Ted Thompson. Please demonstrate some professionalism and post your comments without using your exclusive pet name for TT. Thank you.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 16, 2008 7:52AM CST Again? What part of the trade don't you understand? The Chiefs changed their mind. It didn't happen because of them, not TT. You are beating a dead horse with this one. I agree with Hey der, your constant name calling, which I thought was banned, makes you sound like a little kid. Why not see if the Shoreline Leader is looking for reporters? That might be your calling.

Posted by: Hey der how bout dem Packers! on December 16, 2008 8:06AM CST Good point Brett Favre - the JT does not apply their own rules(no name calling) to their own columnists! Perhaps they are not one of the 13 reading Gery's column?

Posted by: ronnie breuer on December 16, 2008 8:07AM CST gerry how about (the albino barn owl for t.t.) (porky the pig for m.m.) (howdy duty for m.m.) keep up the good work. these three hillbillys gotta go.

Posted by: the one and only me on December 16, 2008 8:29AM CST I agree!!!!

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 16, 2008 8:52AM CST Wow ronnie breuer, didn't I see you on comedy central? You are a riot. Seriously, keep up the good work? He calls somebody childish names, reports inaccuracies, and that is good work? Hey, TT isn't perfect, and if you want to call him out do it with facts not opinions. If you are going to bash TT for the Gonzalez trade, why not make up a trade that would have included Adrian Peterson, Steve Smith, Urlacher, and Ray Lewis.

Posted by: millerwl71 on December 16, 2008 9:33AM CST Gonzalez or not, Rodgers failed again to lead us to victory. 1992 Brett Favre comes in for injured Majik man and leads a come from behind victory in his first game. He didn't have Gonzalez. How many more come from beind wins did he have that year alone. And he wasin't even groomed for 3 years before he took over.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 16, 2008 9:50AM CST Here are some intersting stats for you to ponder millerwl 71. In 92 career games when trailing by 8 points or less, with 5 minutes or less remaining in the 4th quarter, Brett Favre's record is 23-69. In the season when the Packers were 4-12, Brett was 0-11. From '92 through '95, Brett's record was 6-22. 2008 Brett has more INTs (actually the most in the NFL), fewer passing TDs, fewer rushing TDs, fewer yards, and a lower QB rating than Rodgers despite having a better defense, O Line, running backs, and coverage teams. He has had four games worse than Rodgers worst game.

Posted by: BroadwayBrett(fire Ted) on December 16, 2008 10:55AM CST Ted Thompson will not be remembered as the GM who help take the Packers back to the Super Bowl, but rather the GM who traded Brett Favre. The main reason the Packers can't buy a win this season is not because of the TE though, but because the defense can't get off the field and that does have everything to do with Mr. Ted Thompson. That being said I do think Tony Gonzalez does have some years left in him and why not use a second round pick on a TE that would have help this team win some games more so than say Brian Brohm, Jordy Nelson, or even Justin Harrell the 16 pick in the draft two years ago. It sure is sad though when the Packers went from 13 - 3 and a overtime win away from the Super Bowl to having fights during a game between team members. Has Green Bay(5 - 9) turn into the next Oakland (3 - 11)?

Posted by: millerwl71 on December 16, 2008 11:07AM CST But Brett Won!!!! Thats all that matters.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 16, 2008 11:24AM CST Sure, he won 1 Super Bowl. Isn't that what matters? Bottom line is winning the Super Bowl and once in 15 years as the Packers QB won one. Ask Cub fans what it likes to have a winning record and not win the World Series. Time to move on and build this team for next year.

Posted by: BroadwayBrett(fire Ted) on December 16, 2008 11:28AM CST The one stat you left out Brett Favre is that the real Brett Favre was traded to the Jets three weeks before the start of the season where he had to learn a new NFL playbook and is playing in a different type of offense for the first time in 17 years against NFL defense. Aaron Rodgers is in his fourth year with the Packers. Everyone knows that when you spend more time thinking in the NFL during games rather than playing, things aren't going to be as good. But Brett Favre still has a Jets team that was 4 - 12 last year and hasn't been able to stop anyone the last three game on defense in position to make the playoffs. This is a major reason why Hall of Fame QB John Elway has him as his #1 candidate to win NFL MVP.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 16, 2008 12:21PM CST I'm trying to figure out what you just said. When you spend more time thinking things aren't going to be as good. What does that mean? Chad Pennington has a Miami team in the playoff hunt that went 1-15 last year. Why isn't he considered for the MVP based on what Elway says?

Posted by: concerned4 on December 16, 2008 12:25PM CST TT is a cold-hearted idiot, McCarthy is a clueless coach, Murphy is TT's puppet and the Executive Committee is spineless - where does that leave us - losing seasons until they are all gone which could be some time.

Posted by: trainderailed on December 16, 2008 12:39PM CST the only stat that i would think matters to most fans, brett favre went 14 years before he had a losing record, with 3 different gm's, 4 different coaches, offensive cords, qb coaches changing left and right, no hof's on offense in green bay and still won 13 years in a row, this team minus favre will have the bottom fall out after one year. for 65mil, the 4th HIGHEST PAID QB IN THE NFL can we expect a little more then fantasy football stats. oh yah, favre leads the league in ints and is the all time leader in that department, does that negate the other 11 records he holds. i thought you play the game for wins. only 2 superbowl appearances in 15 years, how long has it been for chicago or detroit or minnesota, it's a hard thing to accomplish in this era. many great quarterbacks ( jim kelly, fran tark, dan marino, dan fouts ) never won one, does that mean they had no talent? just my 2 cents

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 16, 2008 12:58PM CST So Favre would have made the difference this year? He would have got them to the Super Bowl? They would have won the Super Bowl? I say no. There are going to be down years. There are going to be injuries. I know, TT should have planned for that and had better back ups at every position. Whatever. Let's see come playoff time. No, Green bay won't be there. The Jets will and they will get smoked. Oh, but wait, we had a winning record. Who cares unless you win the whole thing. The Packers had their chance last year but Mr Wonderful threw those chances out the window with another one of his record interceptions.

Posted by: road dog on December 16, 2008 1:43PM CST Through thick and thin,and lose or win it will be packer's forever. I just hope it doe's not take three or more years to turn this thing around.

Posted by: Dan Miller on December 16, 2008 2:12PM CST Sherman as GM: 44-20 Thompson as GM: 30-32

Posted by: Nasawaupee on December 16, 2008 2:44PM CST Gery: You sure know how to get a party started. Good thing TT didn't go for that second round pick up-charge from KC. I hear there is another Justin Harrell waiting in the wings at UT and we'll need that pick next year. How 'bout we put these guys on the next flight out of GB ... Ty Knott, Bob Sanders, Mike Stock, Joe Philbin, James Campen and Ben McAdoo. Season long problems in the areas for which these coaches are responsible ... and the issues related to poor coaching.

Posted by: Wuzza Wuzza on December 16, 2008 2:55PM CST Sherman was riding Ron Wolf's coat tails.

Posted by: BroadwayBrett(fire Ted) on December 16, 2008 3:04PM CST The Packers might of made the playoffs with Favre this year, but going to the Super Bowl I'd have to say no, with the injuries they have had this year. The problem I see is that the Packers were 13 - 3 and a overtime away from the Superbowl, you have money under the cap to go out and update your young team (for the most part) and TT doesn't go after anyone besides Brandon Chillar. You can say what you want about the NFC championship game, but there were other chances out the window to win that game other than just Brett's Int at the end. As a fan of the Packers I know it can take years to get a Super Bowl, but when you have a team like we did last year TT needed to try a little harder to get this team to take that next step and that meant keeping Brett so he can help lead this young team and make another run this year. Now were 5 - 9 and were looking real thin on defense more so than last year, our offense lines not looking to good, and were going to be losing some other players. Seem to me were heading in the wrong direction and further from the Super Bowl than we were last year. Can Aaron Rodgers lead this team back to a Super Bowl? I really hope so because we just paid this guy a lot of money for six more years....

Posted by: brewpackman on December 16, 2008 3:28PM CST trainderailed....I have stated several times that if next year ends up with a sub .500 record it may be time to move on.Yes TT is 30-32, worse than Shermans record.....but did sherman get within a play of the super bowl? he sucked in the playoffs as a coach, along with Favre in the playoffs the last 10 years.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 16, 2008 3:43PM CST Here are some other Sherman stats for you Dan Miller. • April 21, 2001 – With Wolf and Sherman sharing GM duties, the Packers have one of the worst drafts in franchise history, trading future Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck to the Seattle Seahawks and taking defensive end Jamal Reynolds, receiver Robert Ferguson, cornerback Bhawoh Jue and Torrance Marshall in the first three rounds. Reynolds becomes a colossal bust and the other three are huge disappointments. • Jan. 20, 2002 – The Packers are humiliated 45-17 by the St. Louis Rams, the worst playoff loss in franchise history. • March 26, 2002 – Sherman signs free agent Joe Johnson to a six-year, $33 million contract. Johnson becomes one of the biggest free-agent busts in franchise history. • Jan. 4, 2003 – Green Bay loses first home playoff game in history of Lambeau Field when the Packers are stunned 27-7 by the Atlanta Falcons • Jan. 11, 2004 – Packers allow Philadelphia to convert on fourth and 26, and the Eagles knock Green Bay out of the playoffs. • April 24, 2004 – Sherman trades up in the third round to select punter B.J. Sander. The Packers keep two punters on the roster for the entire season, but Sander never plays. • Jan. 9, 2005 – Sherman loses another home playoff game, as the Minnesota Vikings stun the Packers 31-17. All of this before TT even got there.

Posted by: brewpackman on December 16, 2008 3:51PM CST Brett Favre...great stats you have come up with, would like to know how many int's BLF threw when the Packers were down by a TD or less in the final 5 minutes in the last 10 years or so......It gets beyond sickening to read how many of these Favre fans act as though the man walked on water in his time in Green Bay, he was a good QB, not great starting with the loss to the Broncos in the super bowl till now. Sal paolantonio wrote a great piece about it last year. The nunbers, especially in the playoffs, were eye opening to say the least..... 3 years ago many people said the Packers wouldn't have won 4 games without Favre because of the injuries that overwhelmed the Packers roster, then last year they stayed very healthy and won 14 games, and everyone wanted to heap all the credit onto lord Brett having a good season, reporters like Gery even stated that he made an average reciever like Greg Jennings look good. What now? GJ has had a great year and really got the shaft today by not being a pro-bowl selection......the point is that the man was given all the credit when they won and was blamed for nothing when they lost....idiots that worship Favre said things like "thats just Brett being Brett, thats why we love him" or the ever popular "he's a gunslinger" when he would crap down his leg in a crucial moment....it's a joke, and knowing things I know about him, he certainly didn't deserve that much adoration, let alone the carte blanche he recieved from the media for the last 17 years or so.

Posted by: concerned4 on December 16, 2008 4:40PM CST Someone on these blogs mentioned that Rodgers would be going to the Pro Bowl - sorry, I think you meant Favre.

Posted by: Mr B on December 16, 2008 4:49PM CST Regardless of stats reagarding come from behind victories, ints etc.. he still won games and got his team to the playoffs. What significant beside him has changed on the roster from last year. The really young players should have improved over last year. Did they or was someone else making up for what they lacked? Also how many "great" players did he play with on offense? Was there even one hall of fame quality player on that O in his years at GB? Name a QB with multiple wins in the Super Bowl who had 0 Hall of Fame players on their offense. Montana (Rice, Craig), Young (Rice), Bradshaw (Swan, Harris), Stabler (Bilitnikoff, Branch, Shell, Upshaw), Aikman (Smith, Irvin), Starr (4 or 5), Manning (Harrison). Name one great offensive player other than him on those teams. At the end of the day all that matters in the NFL is W's. So who has more GB or NY? Who had more last year? I don't even back GB and have enjoyed the bad decision. Enjoy rebuilding.

Posted by: Hey der how bout dem Packers! on December 16, 2008 5:29PM CST From Tim Smith of the NY Daily News: Quarterback Brett Favre looks mortal, having been reined in by the Jets coaches earlier this season, forced to throw short, underneath passes. Take away Leon Washington and the big play is just a rumor in the Jets' offense. Favre has become a strong-armed version of Pennington. Remind me again why the Jets decided they didn't need Pennington anymore? On yeah, he couldn't sell "Personal Seat Licenses" to the new stadium.

Posted by: BroadwayBrett(fire Ted) on December 16, 2008 7:01PM CST Two years ago Brett said that team had the most talent he's ever played with even the Super Bowl teams and everyone laughed at him. That year everyone picked that Packers team to only win 4 or 5 games and they went 8 - 8. Last year everyone picked the Packers to win only 8 or 9 games and they went 13 - 3 with no running game for the eight games. This year I do think the Packers had the talent on offense to get deep into the playoffs and with some help TT to get back to the Super Bowl. The Packers really didn't have talent in years (1999 - 2005) past and it showed when they made it in the playoffs. The one year they might had something was 2004 and they lost to Eagles because of the fourth and 26.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 16, 2008 8:38PM CST Mr B, you ask about the "great" players Brett played with on offense. Well, let me tell you about some of the great players he had on defense and special teams when they won the Super Bowl. Do the names reggie White, Eugene Robinson, Saun Jones, Santana Dotson, LeRoy Butler, Gilbert Brown, and last but not least Desmond Howard ring a bell? Howard set a SB record with most return yards ever and was named SB MVP. The defense had 4 int's. Not saying Brett didn't do his part but that game was won on defense and special teams, not by Favre.

Posted by: e122884 on December 16, 2008 9:13PM CST TT poked fate in the eye with a stick. You just don't trade a three time MVP you just don't.

Posted by: Hey der how bout dem Packers! on December 16, 2008 9:24PM CST e122884.... This is all so tiresome.....but TT traded Favre AFTER he retired and jerked the world around with his "I vant to come back" stunt. At some point, even you have to agree that Favre was going to stop playing football. It just happened in 2008 for his playing days in GB. After the last 2 games of this season are played, and the Jets miss the playoffs, I certainly hope that Favre retires for good and goes home to Kiln, MS. Then this crap will be one big moot point and we can all just agree to disagree about some other subject.

Posted by: millerwl71 on December 16, 2008 9:40PM CST Nobody feared Rodgers. Farve would have made a huge differance on how teams played us. Plus the goal is to make it to the playoffs which Brett at least got us to, and to give us fans some hope. At least we had something to look forward to. Now, will be at home not watching the packers in the playoffs. But wait!!!! Farve will be in the playoffs again!!!!! He might lose , but he will be there while teddy bear licker puts the medicated pads on his soar A$$.

Posted by: e122884 on December 16, 2008 9:59PM CST When Roger's wins in the fourth quarter thats when it will stop. Then we won't blame the defense we won't blame special teams, offensive line, injuries? or fate.

Posted by: brewpackman on December 16, 2008 11:10PM CST For those of you who like to believe this complete fabrication that Ted Thompson forced Brett out of Green Bay, answer one question for me. If Brett Favre hadn't ever called a press conference to announce his retirement, who would have been the QB for our beloved Green Bay Packers this season? Thats right, Brett Lorenzo Favre....the Packers were even willing to let him come back after he retired and asked him to wait a couple of days before announcing the comeback,so that they could talk to Aaron Rodgers and sign him to an extension, letting him know that he was wanted in GB after Brett retired. Then Brett changed his mind again......the guy is anything but a team player, he is a self centered ego-maniac. He couldn't stand the possibility of A-Rod coming in and performing at a high level, thus making him a thing of the past.....why do you think he called the Lions and others to give them GB's offensive tendencies and verbiage?

Posted by: Hey der how bout dem Packers! on December 17, 2008 5:43AM CST It was a four-alarm quote by Brett Favre, but it barely registered Sunday because of the Shaun Ellis miracle/Dick Jauron madness: "Maybe I don't have the arm I once had. I don't know." That was Favre's explanation of his third-quarter interception against the Bills, an ill-advised deep ball to Jerricho Cotchery that needed to go at least 50 yards - and went only 45 in the air. There isn't a late-30s quarterback alive who hasn't lost something on his fastball, but to actually hear Favre acknowledge his legendary right arm isn't what it used to be, well, it conjured up memories of Willie Mays, 1973. "(He) just couldn't quite get it to where we wanted to get it to," said Eric Mangini, commenting on Favre's league-leading 17th interception. Let's face it: Tuesday's Pro Bowl selection notwithstanding, Favre looks shot. He's 39, so it's quite possible he's wearing down in the homestretch. That wouldn't be a new trend; he's had some rough Decembers in recent years. Against the Bills, Favre struggled with his accuracy, even on short and intermediate passes. Over the last three games, his completion percentage is 57.7, way too low for a quarterback operating a dink-and-dunk passing attack. In the same stretch, which happens to coincide with the Jets' funk, his passer rating is 61.0, lower than the mistake-laden patch in October when he threw seven interceptions in a three-game span. "He cycled back," said Mangini, alluding to Favre's midseason rally. "I assume (he'll be) cycling back again." They'd better hope so. Otherwise, the Jets will be cycling back to also-ran status. They need Favre more than ever in these final two games. With the defense springing new leaks every week, they probably will have to win high-scoring games to make the playoffs. It'll be tough to pull that off with a quarterback averaging less than seven yards per attempt, as Favre has done in each of the last three games.

Posted by: ronnie breuer on December 17, 2008 7:51AM CST hey i!m not bashing the great albino barn owl for not trading for tony g. it would not of done a bit of good. we could of drafted a. peterson but the barn owl did not have the guts to trade up . i!m bashing the albino barn owl cause he!s an idiot..have a good day..

Posted by: Mr B on December 17, 2008 8:04AM CST BF - Of course defense wins games but you can't deny he has always had very little on offense to work with. I doubt we will see the likes of Derrick Mayes, Antonio (fatboy) Freeman, Robert Brooks, Bill Schroeder, Edgar Bennett, Mark Chumura, etc... in the Hall of Fame. They were all decent players but Favre made them better. Of the folks you mentioned only one will see the hall of fame (white). The others were good ballplayers on a good team. For those same QB's I mentioned there were also great D's with HOF players. Montana and Young had Lott, Fred Dean, Bradshaw (too many HOF players to mention), Starr (Nitschke, Herb Adderly, etc..), Stabler (Hendricks, Tatum, Lester Hayes), Aikman (Deion). I do agree Favre created this problem by retiring. Although if that is the worst thing he has done so be it. It is not like he was arrested for dealing drugs (Jolly) or beat his wife (Green) or shoved a woman (Barnett) or shot at people (Tyrone Williams) (all of these are things GB players did and were welcomed back with open arms). So he quit and changed his mind. Big deal. Again it is all about W's. Again enjoy the rebuilding. I hope it goes on for decades.

Posted by: Mr B on December 17, 2008 8:06AM CST Hey der - The difference is the Jets are talking about being in the playoff race. GB is talking about the offseason.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 17, 2008 8:45AM CST Gery, back to your original point about Gonzalez. You say he has 34 more catches then the Packer TE's. Well, how about the Packers top 2 recievers have 34 more receptions then KC's receivers do. KC features Gonzalez in their offense, the Packers feature their receivers. Mr B, you mention the teams with HOF's offensive players. WHo from last yeard Giants team wouold be considered? Who from Tampa when they won it? How about baltimore in 2001, or Pitt in 2006? WHile none of the PAckers from that team are HOF players they still had Levens who rushed for 1435 yards. They had two receivers catch for more then 1,000 yards.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 17, 2008 11:07AM CST Here you go Mr B. Maybe not the HOF in Canton, but a HOF none the less. GREEN BAY - The Green Bay Packers plan to induct former wide receiver Antonio Freeman and former running back Dorsey Levens into the team's Hall of Fame. Freeman played eight seasons for the Packers, appeared in 116 games, with 90 starts. He ranks sixth on the Packers' all-time list in both receptions (431) and yards (6,651), and third in touchdown receptions (57). Freeman earned All-Pro honors and was a Pro Bowl selection in 1998 after compiling 1,424 yards to lead the NFL. Levens played eight seasons in a Packers' uniform, with 53 starts among 102 games played. He's the Packers' fifth all-time leading rusher, running for 3,937 yards on 1,006 carries, with 28 touchdowns. Levens also caught 271 passes for 2,079 yards and 16 TDs.

Posted by: Mr B on December 17, 2008 11:50AM CST BF - Did any of the teams win more than 1 super bowl? I thought that was the discussion. Regardless there were great offensive players probably HOF on Pitt - (Bettis, maybe Hines Ward), (Tampa won one), Balt (Ogden), Giants(remains to be seen). Were those recievers good or good due to Favre. Elected to the Packers HOF is not the HOF. Freeman owed Favre half his signing bonus. Did he ever do anything when he left. Levens had < 4000 yards (does not sound special just okay). So they were good but not great. You want to bash Favre for not winning enough but expected him to win multiple Super Bowls with avg to above avg players.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 17, 2008 12:46PM CST Did Favre win more then one Super Bowl? What is your point. He has had the talent around him to certainly win more then one Super Bowl. Were they great receivers? I don't know. I'm sure they made Favre look good as well. I guess you could say that about any receiver that played with favre then, that he made them look good. I'm not bashing favre because he didn't win multiple Super Bowls. I'm just saying he's had the chances and didn't do it. Everyone says he's a winner. Bottom line is winning the Super Bowl which he did one time. It certainly is not TT's fault that Brett didn't do that since he's had such a great record as everyone points out. Maybe, just maybe, it is more then just one player that gets it done. The Titans have the best record in football right now. You don't hear them crying because they don't have franchise players on offense. Heck, their starting QB was yanked for a 35 year old back up who started 4 games prior to this season.

Posted by: BroadwayBrett(fire Ted) on December 17, 2008 1:16PM CST If I remember right, Favre wasn't the reason the Packers lost that Super Bowl vs Denver. Favre hasn't had great receivers around him for most of his 17 years and Ron Wolf has said himself that was one thing he wishes he had done before he left was to get some great players around Brett. I do think the last two years were the best receivers Brett has had around him with Greg Jennings and DD together. Last year Brett showed us what he can do with that kind of talent, but TT didn't think that was good enough and it was time for Aaron to step in and lead the Pack out of the playoffs before they even start. The Packers as a team are far from the playoffs and even farther from a Super Bowl. Thank you TT......

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 17, 2008 1:58PM CST Yep, last year he showed us what he could do with that talent when he threw that perfect pass to... the Giants. Here's a little somethig for you as well. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=3281535 Here's a little quote from the article. Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks. Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts. Favre was one of the best regular season QB's, but his stats show he was just ordinary come playoff time.

Posted by: BroadwayBrett(fire Ted) on December 17, 2008 2:48PM CST So BF, you are telling me that the reason we lost last years NFC Championship game was because of a Int that Favre threw in overtime. There was more than one play that lost that game and those plays weren't because of Favre. That game should not have come to overtime in the first place. One big play that comes to mind was a roughing the passer on the Packers defense that gave the Giants a 1st down and finally allowed them to tie the game. Also I remember Al Harris being taken to school by Mr. I Shoot Myself in the leg and Ryan Grant not being able to run the ball much at all. Favre did enough in that game for the Packers to win... On Favre's postseason numbers, well just think what kind of numbers he would of had with some great players around him to help him in the those postseason games in years past....

Posted by: Mr B on December 17, 2008 2:51PM CST My point is he did not have the talent around him to win more than one. In fact GB was lucky to win the one they did. He carried a bunch of avg to barely above avg players. One HOF quality player (Reggie) besides Farve on the team. Starr had more than 6 players on those teams in the hall of fame. Of course he was more successful. He also had one of the best ground games in the history of the game to give the ball to. Verses an average to slightly above avg running game in GB. You can continue to say Favre is terrible and should have won more but the reality is the team went from 13-3 to 5-9 in one year with no other significant personnel changes.

Posted by: The Raytown Kid on December 17, 2008 3:43PM CST you favre lovers are pathetic get a life

Posted by: brewpackman on December 17, 2008 7:05PM CST you people keep saying there were no significant personnel changes.....losing your leading tackler for almost half the season, losing your cb for 5 games, losing your safety for nearly half the season, losing your best lineman against the run for 75% of the season and many other games lost by various players doesn't count as significant personnel changes? You don't live in Racine, you live on fantasy island. While the injuries aren't the only reason for this years record, it has a lot to do with it.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 17, 2008 8:45PM CST Sorry Mr B, didn't realize you needed HOF players to win the Super Bowl. Please show me where I said he was terrible as well. Not only do Packer fans make up their own stuff they interpret how they hear things as well. Your point is he didn't have enough talent around him for all these years, well TT has only been here a few years. Why not criticize Wolf and Sherman the same way every dismantles Thompson? Broadway Brett, Favre had one pass for 90 yards and then had 146 for the rest of the game. They were 1-10 on 3rd downs. Those same stats would have you sreaming up and down about Rodgers, but the truth is Favre didn't have good playoff numbers. Come to grips with it. Sure there were many aspects that could have changed the game, including the QB. I'll admit it, can you? Since the Super Bowl win his stats are this: 21 td's and 21 int's in the playoffs. His record is 5-7. Please keep telling me how Rodgers can't bring a team back.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 17, 2008 8:47PM CST One more point Mr B, so he had the talent surrounding him to reach the playoffs, just not to win in the playoffs. That's rich.

Posted by: rob_92183 on December 17, 2008 9:01PM CST You guys are far too quick to judge Ted Thompson for not wanting to give up a second round draft pick for Gonzalez. You know what we could get for that second round pick? A fourth, fifth and sixth round pick! And I'm sure Ted Thompson would draft a whole army of Jermichael Finley's with those picks.

Posted by: BroadwayBrett(fire Ted) on December 17, 2008 9:58PM CST Sure BF, I can admit Brett Favre didn't have a game like the one he had a week before vs the Seahawks. What I'm say is he didn't lose that game for the Packers either. I never said Rogers can't bring this team back, I said I hope Rodgers can bring this team back and we will soon find out seeing the Packers have lots of money invested in him for the next six years..... Like I said before, Ron Wolf wishes he had gotten more talent around Favre. I don't think Sherman should have ever been a GM in the first place and he didn't do this team any favors. The beef I have with Ted Thompson is we were 13 - 3 last season and game from the Super Bowl, why not go out and make some moves last off season and try and get this team to that next step. Don't wait until next season or the season after that. In NFL teams only have a little window to do what every team is trying to do and that is win a Super Bowl. It seems to me that window for the Packers is gone at least for now and who knows for how long.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 18, 2008 7:44AM CST I can agree with what you said about Sherman, and to a certain extent TT. My problem is I don't think the Packers were nearly as good as their 13-3 record of last year, nor do I feel they are nearly as bad as their 5-9 record this year. Call it fate, call it luck, call it whatever you like. I don't think this team is that bad, and yes I agree spending some money on free agents would be a good investment. Free agency is a major crapshoot though, and sometimes, as in the case of a Joe Johnson, you get hogtied. Willingness to come to Green bay, and team chemistry as parts that need to be looked at as well. Next year will be a true test of what TT is made of. By the way, listening to the news this morning and Favre is bringing up his retirement talks again.

Posted by: Mr B on December 18, 2008 8:27AM CST Actually BF I am not a packers fan. I do think all of the folks who were for dumping him were dumb and am enjoying their terrible record. reaching the playoffs is much easier than winning in them. There are injuries every year (even the year they won the Super Bowl) and I am sure there are many reasons not just BF that resulted in the record change. But you can't say they would be 5-9 with him. He was and is a winner and am amazed you GB fans can't respect what he brought to the game.

Posted by: Brett Favre on December 18, 2008 8:55AM CST I'm not a huge Packer fan either. I respect Favre and everything he brought to the game and to the city of Green bay. However, playoff time roled around and he was just an average QB. That, and all the crap he pulled with his retirement, non-retirement, retirement, garbage that really soured me towards him. Yes, I'm sure there were problems with the management as well, but this same old junk about should he stay or go got pretty old every year. Would they be better then their 5-9 record, maybe. Would they advance in the playoffs, doubtful. Just wait if the Jets make it and we'll see how far the go. I know, at least they made it. Big deal, to make and it lose is nothing special to me.

Posted by: Mr B on December 19, 2008 6:47AM CST BF - So are you more bothered that he retired and changed his mind than when some of the players beat their wives (Ahman Green), try to kill people (tyrone Williams), get caught with lotsa drugs (jolly), get in fights with women at clubs (barnett). I agree he brought a lot of that down on himself for being whiny but it pales in comparison to what some of these knobs do that is crimnal yet the amount of fan disgust with those actions is limited. I am actually a Lions fan (I know what am I thinking) and would have killed for a good QB and a few winning seasons. Trust me losing all the time bites.

Posted by: brewpackman on December 19, 2008 4:54PM CST YOU ROOT FOR THE LIONS AND YOU ARE CRITICAL OF THE PACKERS? End of discussion

Posted by: Prime Time on December 20, 2008 5:37PM CST brewpackman: (A). You Packer fans (YES, THIS INCLUDES YOU SPECIFICALLY) acted like Favre walked on water and (B) You keep bringing up the fact that you know personal things about Favre, yet you won't cite what exactly these horendous things are about Favre. Either cite sources and facts or stop referring to these phantom character flaws. You sound like a broken record. If you can't say certain things in here about Favre for fear of being sued or whatever, then these issues are not true. You got any stones or no??? No??? Shat up then.

Posted by: Prime Time on December 20, 2008 5:46PM CST Oh, and if these things about Favre just happen to be about "women", that's old old news bro. 98% of pro athletes have "female friends" in cities they travel to and otherwise, BELIEVE THAT!!! Favre, Chmura, Freeman, White (yes, minister White), Sharp, etc..... all had "friends" in their hayday. No big scoop there.....

Posted by: The Badger Bully on December 20, 2008 7:30PM CST Brett Favre retired and the Packers moved on. If chad Pennington was the QB of Jets they would be 11-3 and division champs, now Dolphins are 9-5 soon to be division champs favre is overrated washed up drama queen! Brett Favre only won us one Super Bowl! he is about himself! Good riddance just think if we had Brady or Montana we would have won 3 or 4 Super Bowls!

Posted by: brewpackman on December 20, 2008 10:43PM CST Prime time.....I tried twice to send a message to your inbox, and both times it didn't go through......I do not want to air dirty laundry in these blogs, just know that I didn't worship the ground he walked on or anything even near that. I rooted for him as a Packer fan, so that the Packers would win, but it ended there......I will say some of it had to do something with women....some of it had to do with threatening a friend of mine who's girl BLF was after....and some of it had to do with things he did as a teammate.....I will go no further than that, just know, I know it to be fact. These are not phantom character flaws, more like the true colors of a great QB, but horrible person.

Posted by: Prime Time on December 21, 2008 6:37PM CST OK, now that you have disclosed some reasons, I can respect your comments. Thank you.

Posted by: The Raytown Kid on December 21, 2008 9:38PM CST favre has sure been clutch the last few weeks, eh? the jets peaked and are DONE

Posted by: brewpackman on December 21, 2008 10:46PM CST they did have a couple nice wins (Tennessee and New England) but championship teams do not lose to Seattle, Oakland and San Francisco in the second half of the season....now we get the drama queen act again from Lorenzo about retirement.

Posted by: dave on December 22, 2008 10:41AM CST Rodgers has better stats than Favre on the year, our defense has not been able to hold any team the last 7 weeks at all...It is all because Brett was not here...please. JET FAVRE did not make the Jets better single handedly, how about all of the other free agent pick ups on that team? Like all of the free agent pick ups that the Pack made, not!

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